Dave's Family History
John William WINES
Abt 1829 - 1911 (82 years) Has 6 ancestors and 96 descendants in this family tree.-
Name John William WINES Birth Abt 1829 Limehouse, London, England [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] - In all censuses except 1851 he says Limehouse. 1851 says South Petherton
Baptism 7 Jun 1829 Stepney, London, England [6] - St Dunstan, Stepney
Gender Male Census 6 Jun 1841 Tower Hamlets, London, England [7] Age: 14y Address: Eastfield Street Census 30 Mar 1851 Stepney, London, England [8] Age: 22y Address: 26 Butcher Row - Relation to Head of House: Head
Winecooper.
has brother and sister-in-law living with him.
Also, next I believe to be his parents and possibly aunt & uncle
Occupation 30 Mar 1851 Stepney, London, England Wine Cooper Age: 22y Census 7 Apr 1861 Ratcliffe, London, England [9] Age: 32y Address: 102 Broad Street - Relation to Head of House: Head
Green Grocer
Unlce Joseph is living with them but think should read father
Occupation 7 Apr 1861 Ratcliffe, London, England Green Grocer Age: 32y Census 2 Apr 1871 Ratcliffe, London, England [10] Age: 41y Address: 1 Palmer Street - Relation to Head of House: Head
Bottler
Occupation 2 Apr 1871 Ratcliffe, London, England Bottler Age: 41y Census 3 Apr 1881 Limehouse, London, England [11] Age: 52y Address: 7 Wilson Street - Relation to Head of House: Head
Wine Cooper
Occupation 3 Apr 1881 Limehouse, London, England Wine Cooper Age: 52y Census 5 Apr 1891 Tottenham, London, England [4] Age: 62y Address: 104 Brunswick Road - Relation to Head of House: Head
Bottler
Occupation 5 Apr 1891 Tottenham, London, England Bottler Age: 62y Census 31 Mar 1901 Edmonton, London, England [12] Age: 74y Address: 12 Westminster Parade, Bounces(?) Road - Cornmaker(?)
Occupation 31 Mar 1901 Edmonton, London, England Cornmaker Age: 74y Reference Number BR 0365a Death Between Apr 1911 and Jun 1911 Lambeth, London, England [13] Age: 82y Person ID I905 Simpson Last Modified 9 Apr 2023
Father Joseph WINES, b. Abt 1801, South Petherton, Somerset, England Mother Martha [WINES], b. Abt 1794, Battersea, London, England d. Bef 1861 (Age < 66 years) Marriage Bef 1829 - Based on son John being born 1829
Notes - In the 1851 census Joseph and Martha are living next door to what I believe are two of the sons, John and George.
The connection appears to be confirmed by Joseph and John both giving South Petherton, Somerset as their place of birth.
Joseph also has two visitors, Ezra and Phoebe Wigfield. Phoebe's place of birth is also South Petherton, Somerset making me think that she is Joseph's sister.
Family ID F275 Group Sheet | Family Chart
Family Mary Ann MANNING, b. Abt 1831, Ratcliffe, London, England d. Between Apr 1892 and Jun 1892, Edmonton, London, England (Age 61 years) Marriage 23 Apr 1848 Shoreditch, London, England [14, 15] - He is of Full Age, she is a Minor
Children + 1. John George WINES, b. 6 Mar 1849, Shadwell, London, England d. Between Jul 1914 and Sep 1914, Lambeth, London, England (Age 65 years) 2. Phoebe Ann WINES, b. 18 Apr 1851, Ratcliffe, London, England d. Between Apr 1856 and Jun 1856, Ratcliffe, London, England (Age 4 years) + 3. Joseph Charles WINES, b. Between Jul 1853 and Sep 1853, Ratcliffe, London, England d. Between Jul 1923 and Sep 1923, Mile End Old Town, London, England (Age 70 years) 4. Mary Elizabeth WINES, b. 20 Nov 1855, Stepney, London, England 5. William Matthew WINES, b. Between Oct 1858 and Dec 1858, St Pancras, London, England 6. George Thomas WINES, b. Between Oct 1860 and Dec 1860, Islington, London, England d. 21 Nov 1920, Tottenham, London, England (Age 60 years) 7. Mary Ann Maria WINES, b. Between Oct 1862 and Dec 1862, Stepney, London, England 8. Caroline Amelia WINES, b. Between Oct 1862 and Dec 1862, Stepney, London, England d. Between Jan 1865 and Mar 1865, Stepney, London, England (Age 2 years) + 9. Grace Alice WINES, b. Between Oct 1864 and Dec 1864, Ratcliffe, London, England 10. Sarah Ann WINES, b. Between Oct 1866 and Dec 1866, Ratcliffe, London, England + 11. Eliza Minnie WINES, b. 22 Oct 1868, Ratcliffe, London, England + 12. Frederick James WINES, b. Between Jan 1871 and Mar 1871, Ratcliffe, London, England d. Between Apr 1926 and Jun 1926, Wandsworth, London, England (Age 55 years) 13. Lily Emily WINES, b. Between Oct 1872 and Dec 1872, Mile End, London, England Family ID F276 Group Sheet | Family Chart Last Modified 31 Jan 2021
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Event Map = Link to Google Earth
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Photos Photo - John William Wines Photo - Wines Brothers
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Sources - [S529] 1841 Census - HO 107/0701 B01 F38 P29 - Wines, Joseph & Martha, 1 Jan 1980.
This census says 'born this county' i.e. not Somerset - [S431] 1851 Census - HO 107/1551 F149/150 P17/18 - Wines, George T & Ann, 1 Jan 1980.
Gives birthplace
as South Petherton - [S531] 1881 Census - RG 11/0466 F060 P02 - Wines, John W & Mary A, 1 Jan 1980.
1881 census gives birthplace as Limehouse - [S533] 1891 Census - RG 12/1075 F068 P65 - Wines, John W & Mary, 1 Jan 1980.
- [S539] 1901 Census - RG 13/1266 F024 P39 - Wines, John, 1 Jan 1980.
Gives birthplace as Limehouse - [S1107] Baptism Cert - Wines, John William, 23 Feb 2012.
- [S529] 1841 Census - HO 107/0701 B01 F38 P29 - Wines, Joseph & Martha, 1 Jan 1980.
- [S431] 1851 Census - HO 107/1551 F149/150 P17/18 - Wines, George T & Ann, 1 Jan 1980.
- [S1099] 1861 Census - RG 9/0285 F123 P06 - Wines, John W & Mary A, 22 Feb 2012.
- [S1100] 1871 Census - RG 10/0547 F137/138 P26/27 - Wines, John W & Mary A, 22 Feb 2012.
- [S531] 1881 Census - RG 11/0466 F060 P02 - Wines, John W & Mary A, 1 Jan 1980.
- [S539] 1901 Census - RG 13/1266 F024 P39 - Wines, John, 1 Jan 1980.
- [S3241] BMD - Death Index, 1 Jan 1980, AMJ 1911 Lambeth 1d 180.
- [S1101] Marriage Cert - Wines, John William - Manning, Mary Ann, 22 Feb 2012.
- [S60] BMD - Marriage Index, 22 Feb 2012, AMJ 1848 Shoreditch 2 366.
Only suitable match in BMD
- [S529] 1841 Census - HO 107/0701 B01 F38 P29 - Wines, Joseph & Martha, 1 Jan 1980.