Frederick George Greenland

1884 - 1965  (80 years)

• Name	Frederick George Greenland
  Birth	2 Sep 1884	Mile End, London, England   [1, 2]
  	Address: 76 Mile End Road
  	Fact Flags: Preferred
  Baptism	21 Sep 1884	Tower Hamlets, London, England   [2]
  	Address: 76 Mile End Road
  	Father is a Hosier
  Gender	Male
  *AKA	Harry George Frederick Bryde
  Census	5 Apr 1891	Deptford, Kent, England   [3]
  	Age: 6y
  	Address: 7 Walpole Street
  	Relation to Head of House: Son Only initials are given for all occupants, but they fit perfectly
  Census	31 Mar 1901	Deptford, Kent, England   [4]
  	Age: 16y
  	Address: 21 Angus Street
  Miscellaneous	1907
  	Comment from John Dwyer [June 2024] "As far as the Greenland family history goes, this is the last anyone knows of Frederick George Greenland. There may have been contact with family but if there was, it is not recorded and not remembered. In the 1911 census all the children have departed and William and Emily are lodging with Emily's father in Clerkenwell. The adult children all marry and have their families. Time moves on and as far as we know, the family never found out what happened to Fred"
  Newpspaper Entry	26 May 1907	London, England   [5]
  	Address: Walworth Road
  	Fred has apparently gone missing and Mother and brother, George place advert for William as missing. William's job given as Butcher. Thanks to John Dwyer for finding this June 2024
  Electoral Register	1930	Lambton, Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia   [6]
  	Address: 9 Pearson Street
  Reference Number	BR 2075a
  Reference Number	BR-J
  Death	14 Jun 1965	Newcastle, Newcastle City, New South Wales, Australia   [7]
  	Age: 80y
  Person ID	I6822	Simpson
  Last Modified	26 Oct 2024

  
  

  Father	William Frederick Greenland,   b. Between Oct 1851 and Dec 1851, Clerkenwell, London, England d. 28 Mar 1937, Wood Green, London, England (Age 85 years)
  Mother	Emily Jacobs,   b. Abt 1852, Hoxton, London, England d. Between Jan 1931 and Mar 1931, Camberwell, Surrey, England (Age 79 years)
  Marriage	19 May 1874	West Hackney, London, England   [8]
  	Address: Both: Derby Road
  	He is listed as a Hosier
  Family ID	F1540	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family 1	Lucy Linda Margaret Wood,   b. Abt 1899, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
  Marriage	26 Jul 1917	Thirlmere, New South Wales, Australia   [9, 10]
  	Address: Bargo Camp
  	He was a Labourer He lists both parents as deceased which doesn't happen for many years.
  Divorce	From 1934 to 1935  [11, 12]
  	1934 - Decree Nisi published in Sydney Morning Herald on the grounds of Frederick deserting. 1935 - Decree Absolute published in Sydney Morning Herald
  Family ID	F3123	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	8 Oct 2024

  
  

  Family 2	Dora Bernice Ivy Stella Fielding,   b. 27 Jan 1895, Chesterton, Cambridge, England d. 29 Apr 1964, Singleton, New South Wales, Australia (Age 69 years)
  Marriage	27 Sep 1919	Henty, New South Wales, Australia   [13, 14, 15]
  	This is a bigamous marriage as he didn't get divorced from Lucy until 1934 He gives his name as Harry George Frederic Bryde No details regarding ages or his parents are given. Dora's father is listed as Joseph Arthur Fielding
  Children	1. Marcus Fred Bryde,   b. 14 Apr 1920, Wodonga, Victoria, Australia d. 30 Dec 2009, Kurri Kurri, New South Wales, Australia (Age 89 years)   2. Marcelle Harry Bryde,   b. 3 Sep 1922, Cooma, New South Wales, Australia d. 1 Oct 2003, Hamilton, New South Wales, Australia (Age 81 years)   3. Mercia Bernice "Bub" Bryde,   b. 19 Feb 1925, Abermain, New South Wales, Australia d. 12 Oct 2009, Cessnock, New South Wales, Australia (Age 84 years)   4. Myrtle Ivy "Bonnie" Bryde,   b. 18 Apr 1928, New Lambton, New South Wales, Australia d. 6 Jan 2018, Greenland's, New South Wales, Australia (Age 89 years)   5. Myrna Stella Bryde,   b. 28 Jan 1931, New Lambton, New South Wales, Australia d. 17 Feb 2016, Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia (Age 85 years)   6. Miriam Dora "Bib" Greenland,   b. 1 Jan 1934, New Lambton, New South Wales, Australia d. 13 Mar 2015, Waratah, New South Wales, Australia (Age 81 years)   7. Living
  Family ID	F3125	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	8 Oct 2024

  
  

• Event Map

  Birth - Address: 76 Mile End Road - 2 Sep 1884 - Mile End, London, England Baptism - Address: 76 Mile End Road - 21 Sep 1884 - Tower Hamlets, London, England Census - Age: 6y,Address: 7 Walpole Street - 5 Apr 1891 - Deptford, Kent, England Census - Age: 16y,Address: 21 Angus Street - 31 Mar 1901 - Deptford, Kent, England Newpspaper Entry - Address: Walworth Road - 26 May 1907 - London, England  = Link to Google Earth

  
  

• Photos		Greenland, Frederick (Bryde, Harry) - Fielding, Dora Courtesy of John Dwyer
  		Bryde, Harry - Greenland, David Harry Bryde & David Greenland - Photo courtesy of John Dwyer

  
  

• Notes

  I was contacted by John Dwyer in July 2024 asking if I wanted some more information on Frederick. John and his contacts had done a lot of research on Frederick. The mystery starts in 1907 when his mother, Emily and brother George, post a 'Missing' notice in the newspaper. Research led to discovering that Frederick having gone to Australia - possibly working on Merchant Navy Ships. In 1917 he marries Lucy Wood in New South Wales. Lucy divorces him in 1934 on the grounds of desertion. Now the interesting bit starts. In 1919 there is a Harry George Frederick Bryde marrying a Dora Fielding. The belief is that Frederick has changed his name (note that Frederick and George are his original forenames). What can be found to substantiate this? John's cousin, Katherine Pritchard, had the handwriting of Frederick Greenland and Harry Bryde analysed. The source for Frederick was his signature on his marriage certificate to Lucy. For Harry Bryde they had a recipe book written by him plus his marriage certificate and declaration to his marriage to Dora. The conclusion was that they were the same person. [16]

  
  

• Sources

  [S3242] BMD - Birth Index, 8 Apr 2021, JAS 1884 Mile End Old Town 1c 546. GRO Checked [S3634] Baptism Cert - Greenland, Frederick G, 9 Apr 2021. [S3636] 1891 Census RG 12-0498 2 - Greenland, William F, 9 Apr 2021. [S3637] 1901 Census RG13-0528 F154 P18 - Greenland, William F, 9 Apr 2021. [S5639] Missing - Greenland, Frederick 1907, 13 Jul 2024. [S5646] Electoral Register - 1930 - Bryde, Harry & Dora, 15 Jul 2024. [S5645] Tombstone - Bryde, Harry (Greenland, Frederick), 15 Jul 2024. [S2581] Marriage Cert - Jacobs, Emily & Greenland, William, 23 Apr 2011. [S5640] Marriage Cert - Greenland, Frederick G - Wood, Lucy, 13 Jul 2024. [S60] BMD - Marriage Index, 13 Jul 2024, NSM Reg No. 7687/1917 Picton. [S5641] Divorce - Greenland, Frederic (Decree Nisi), 13 Jul 2024. [S5642] Divorce - Greenland, Frederic (Decree Absolute), 13 Jul 2024. [S5643] Marriage Cert - Bryde, Harry - Fielding, Dora, 13 Jul 2024. [S5644] Marriage Declaration - Bryde, Harry - Fielding, Dora, 13 Jul 2024. [S60] BMD - Marriage Index, 13 Jul 2024, NSW Reg No. 10711 Holbrook. [S5649] Greenland Bryde Research, 17 Jul 2024.