John Leopold CARNEY

1896 - 1918  (22 years)

• Name	John Leopold CARNEY
  Birth	19 May 1896	Salford, Lancashire, England   [1, 2]
  Baptism	7 Jun 1896	Salford, Lancashire, England   [3]
  	Address: 54 Jennings Street
  	St Joseph's RC Church,
  Gender	Male
  Census	31 Mar 1901	Salford, Lancashire, England   [4]
  	Age: 4y
  	Address: 34 Jennings St., Salford
  	Relation to Head of House: Son (Grandson)
  Census	2 Apr 1911	Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire, England   [5]
  	Age: 14y
  	Address: 601 Sixth Street, Trafford Park
  	Improver to Arc Lamp Making
  Enlisted	Between 1914 and 1918  [6]
  	WW1 - can't find a record
  Medal	1918  [7]
  	Victory & British Medal
  	I believe that this is the correct card.
  Burial	1918	Berlin, Germany   [8]
  	Age: 22y
  	Address: Berlin South Western Cemetery, Stahnsdorf
  Death	10 Dec 1918	Germany   [9, 10]
  	Age: 22y
  Probate	18 Dec 1918  [11]
  	Will records date of death as 18th December 1918, not 10th
  Reference Number	C 0014a
  Person ID	I171	Simpson
  Last Modified	21 May 2022

  
  

  Father	John CARNEY,   b. Abt 1861, Manchester, Lancashire, England d. 9 Jan 1925, Stretford, Manchester, Lancashire, England (Age 64 years)
  Mother	Mary Jane GUINNANE,   b. 29 Aug 1868, Salford, Lancashire, England d. 20 Oct 1914, Stretford, Manchester, Lancashire, England (Age 46 years)
  Marriage	27 Aug 1891	Salford, Lancashire, England   [12, 13]
  	Address: Mount Carmel R.C. Church
  	He is a Velvet Dyer His address: 13 Hollingwood St., Salford Her address: 8 Darley Street, Salford
  Reference Number	C 0036-C 0037
  Family ID	F36	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Alice CARTWRIGHT,   b. 23 Feb 1898, Widnes, Lancashire, England d. Between Jan 1969 and Mar 1969, Widnes, Lancashire, England (Age 70 years)
  Marriage	22 Apr 1916	Chorlton, Manchester, Lancashire, England   [14]
  	Address: Register Office
  	Witness: Jenny Patterson, soon to marry Leo's brother, Bill His Address: 93 Second Avenue, Trafford Park (Living here when mother died in 1914) Her Address: 24 Holland Road, Chorlton cum Hardy (No obvious connection in 1911 census)
  Children	1. Alice CARNEY,   b. Between Oct 1916 and Dec 1916, Prescot, Lancashire, England d. Between Oct 1916 and Dec 1916, Prescot, Lancashire, England (Age 0 years) + 2. Iris CARNEY,   b. Between Oct 1918 and Dec 1918, Prescot, Lancashire, England d. 30 Jul 2007, Widnes, Cheshire, England (Age 88 years)
  Family ID	F797	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	30 Jul 2022

  
  

• Event Map

  Birth - 19 May 1896 - Salford, Lancashire, England Baptism - Address: 54 Jennings Street - 7 Jun 1896 - Salford, Lancashire, England Census - Age: 4y,Address: 34 Jennings St., Salford - 31 Mar 1901 - Salford, Lancashire, England Census - Age: 14y,Address: 601 Sixth Street, Trafford Park - 2 Apr 1911 - Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire, England Marriage - Address: Register Office - 22 Apr 1916 - Chorlton, Manchester, Lancashire, England Burial - Age: 22y,Address: Berlin South Western Cemetery, Stahnsdorf - 1918 - Berlin, Germany Death - Age: 22y - 10 Dec 1918 - Germany  = Link to Google Earth

  
  

• Notes

  Reputed to have died, from flu epidemic, whilst in army but after end of WW I Couldn't find in army deaths 1914-1925 [Looked in 2008] Looked for John L and Leo* Died overseas France - [Maureen jan 2009] Never married Ruth found a posssible marriage for him in 1916 John L Carney = Alice Cartwright 1916 AMJ Chorlton 8C 1503 Ordered a copy 25/02/2013 on the off chance Known to be still alive in 1917 as he was a witness to his uncle's 2nd marriage. See Thomas Guinnane (C 235) = Sarah E Thompson I received the following information from Eric Hill via Ancestry 08/03/2013 "He died in East Germany on December 10th 1918 from wounds inflicted in the war. He was in the Lancashire Fusiliers and is buried at at war cemetery near Potsdam. I took my mother (his daughter - now sadly passed away) to see his grave a few years ago after the Berlin Wall came down and we could get access. He married my grandmother (Alice Ditchfield) in Widnes and had 2 daughters, sadly one died shortly after being born." I subsequently contacted the Lancashire Fusiliers Museum "Many thanks for your email. The medal cards tell us that 3127 and 37544 John Carney's are the same soldier serving in the 1st/8th Bn (Salford) Bn Lancashire Fusiliers. This information is detailed on the same card. Soldiers Died database tells us that 37544 John Carney enlisted in Salford and was born in St Anthony's Parish in Lancaster or Lancashire - is there a St Anthony's Church in Salford?. He died on 10/12/1918 in Germany. I can't confirm that this John Carney is John Leopold Carney. Have you tried the Salford City Reporter newspaper for an obituary/news cutting sometime after the middle of December 1918. Hope this helps." I found his army will and applied for it (July 2014) The lack of mention of his middle name has always left me with that little nagging doubt, but the will proves it is the same man:- John Leopold Carney married Alice Cartwright. Alice Cartwright was living with her parents at 33 Irwell St., Widnes in the 1911 census In his will, John leaves everything to his wife, Alice, who is living at 33 Irwell St., Widnes. The only anomaly is that the will gives date of death as 18th December 1918 rather than 10th that the CWGC entry has.

  
  

• Sources

  [S136] Birth Cert - Carney, John Leopold - C 033, 1 Jan 1980, 1896 AMJ Salford 8D 195 YES (Reliability: 3). [S3242] BMD - Birth Index, 20 Jan 2017, 1896 AMJ Salford 8D 195. GRO Checked [S1213] Baptism Cert - Carney, John Leopold, 27 Sep 2014. Godparents: Matthew Karghy?, Elizabeth Guinnane [S102] 1901 Census - RG 13/3735 F062 P37 - Guinnane, John, 1 Jan 1980. [S675] 1911 Census - RG 14/23638 SN088 - Carney, 1 Jan 1980. [S377] Military Record Not Found - WW1 WO363 at Kew - need to check WO363/Mis-sorts & WO364, 1 Jan 1980. [S1209] Medal Card - Carney, John Leopold, 1 Jan 1980. [S1212] Commonwealth War Graves Commission - Carney, John Leopold, 16 Jul 2014. [S57] Verbal - Carney, Maureen, 1 Jan 1980. [S1210] Commonwealth War Graves Commission - Carney, John Leopold, 1 Jan 1980. [S1211] Will - John Leopold Carney, 16 Jul 2014. [S36] Marriage Cert - Carney, John - C 036, 18 Oct 2014. [S279] Marriage Cert - PR Carney, John - Transcript, 18 Oct 2014. [S1187] Marriage Cert - Carney, John Leopold, 15 Mar 2013.